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Post by Sequel on Mar 8, 2007 1:23:15 GMT -6
A satanic hierarchy has been witnessed and described in Ephesian 6 that spiritually comes against mankind.
At the cross, Jesus made spoil of the principalities. Does this mean that the fallen angels, evil spirits, and devil have been judged by Jesus?
Most churches preach we are fighting the devil in hand to hand combat daily as well as the fallen angels? Is that true? Where is the battleground and where is the proof? With millions of churches, are we winning the battle or did Jesus destroyed the works of the devil?
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Post by Seeker on Mar 9, 2007 16:52:05 GMT -6
The bible clearly states that the fallen angels are in chains and that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. But I've always thought that meant that our goal should be the same as His. To destroy the works of demons as they are clearly carrying out the wishes of their master, satan, and the hierarchy appears to still be rather intact (excluding those fallen angels) as well with the world lingering in desperate need of the expulsion of demons and sickness running rampant throughout humanity. Do share your insight? Are we conned into believing that the enemy is more than he is? It is rather odvious that 9/10 of the church pretend that Jesus never said anything about casting our demons and most people act shocked at such a thought. and half frightened and the word "demon". I've even had people warn me not to get too close to God because satan might notice and come after you. I just chuckle at the thought and wonder how on earth they get such ideas. In Howard Pittman's books, he names a heirachy. Is this how you believe it to be still in formation and do they assist unclean spirits?
Seeker
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Post by Sequel on Mar 10, 2007 1:58:24 GMT -6
It would be an experience to see some of the famous pastors doing a hand to hand combat with the devil? Or see those who believe that demons are fallen angels (as they have already been placed into everlasting chains)! Or is it Nephilims in Gen 6? Because Christendom has not defined the demon, who is protecting this seldom known fact? Is there enough truth left in the churches and denomination to call it as it is?
Without the devil and fallen angels, how is it possible for the satanic hierarchy to remain a formidable force in the universe?
My point is: are the holes bigger than anyone suspects? Has it not come down to mankind being encroached upon by former mankind? Have we come to an ultimuum parody?
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Post by Seeker on Mar 10, 2007 9:04:30 GMT -6
Actually, I believe there are enough people left in churches who if faced with the truth head-on would grasp it and many would love it and run with it. It is actually an exciting prospect to be apart of "the awakening of the churches" as I believe in my heart that this is going to happen. Perhaps a less diplomatic approach is necessary and more demonstration needed. I'm truly excited with what God is showing me in this area and can't wait to see it all in action.
It is interesting to think about, that the demonic realm is faking the presence of their old ruler and scaring people into submission. Perhaps the day has come to remove the blinders and let the captives go free?
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Post by Sequel on Mar 10, 2007 10:42:16 GMT -6
There is a book out by a radio teacher, who wrote about the end of the church age. His book discusses his conclusion that the Holy Spirit left the church in the 1988s. As I read it, his conclusions caused a significant uncomfort within me, that I had to put the book down several times. Then as he listed scriptures, the HS within gave me a different meaning of the Word.
An old doctrine has long led many to conclude there was a church age? No where in the Word does it talk about a church age. The church that Jesus was to build was to be the Holy Spirit indwelling within us! With this understanding is it possible to say we are in the brick and mortar 'church' that Jesus wanted? The answer is no!
Unless the church is HS led, there is no life.
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Post by chrioni on Mar 10, 2007 20:41:08 GMT -6
UNLESS THE CHURCH IS HOLY GHOST LED, THERE IS NO LIFE. This is a powerful statement that we do well to take heed.
Most of the churches today has become a kingdom unto itself ruled by a man and a board.
2 Corinthians 3:17 says Now, the Lord is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
This verse can also be read: " .... where THE SPIRIT IS LORD, there is liberty" without doing any injustice to it.
Is the HOLY GHOST LORD in our lives as believers in Christ?
'Lord" simply means sovereign monarch, wielding authority.
The Holy Ghost is not Lord in our lives when we live a life of defeat (i.e. bondage - no liberty) as a christian.
The fruit - when the Holy Ghost is Lord in our lives - is freedom (from sin, from sickness, from demons).
For many of us, the Holy Ghost is Lord in our lives some of the time, not all the times. We should let go and let the Holy Ghost take over at all the times.
That's why constant continuous communion with the Holy Ghost is of paramount importance.
The great apostle to the gentiles shares his secret with us when he said in 1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues MORE THAN YE ALL.
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Post by Seeker on Mar 10, 2007 21:29:38 GMT -6
This is very true, however I wonder if there aren't varying degrees. For instance, I know that one can't even truly be born again unless Christ is revealed to them by the HS, thereby true conviction takes place and one gives one's heart to the Lord. Most pentecostal churches that I have seen have all stages of growth in them. Ones who operate in gifts and those who are seeking, and then there are those who are spiritually dead, sitting in the pew, those who show up out of guilt and brain washing. My mind would conclude that if they once heard His voice, can they not again? Why aren't there people going to these churches and waking them up? Why do they wait for invitation? Why can't one just show up under the power of the HS and do His work in demonstration of His power? Or is the only way to wait for the church to be persecuted in these last days and thereby causing them to cry out to Him for salvation? It's horrible. Like the Israelites all over again. Can't we come to God because we love Him and not because we are being forced to cry out? There must be a way! If the satanic heirarchy has truly been spoiled and put to ruination, why would it be such a feat to go to His body and demonstrate this? Wouldn't it be His will to bring life (the HS) back to His church?
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Post by Sequel on Mar 11, 2007 1:58:55 GMT -6
Church administration has followed a consensus theology of the governing board. Despite claims of being Holy Spirit led, with a HS led pastor - there are only scant churches that are really HS led. The priorities of finances, complacency within the church, a 'single body' (often not representing Jesus) , and the statement of faith - directs the pastor to lead the church. There is a diminishing acceptance of the HS gifts operating in the churches.
The breach of a church's governance is viewed with disdain; yet, we are saying we need the HS in our lives. The HS gifts in the laity normally exceed the gifts of the clergy. If the gifts of the HS is not embraced by the church governance, can the church be called a HS church. A HS church has all the gifts operating.
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Post by spirit on Mar 20, 2007 1:15:35 GMT -6
The fallen angels have been placed into everlasting chains in Jude 6. Jesus came to destroy the works of the Devil and crush the head of the serpent. I heard that the Devil is stuck on the ground in Tartarus? Does this mean that the Devil and the fallen angels are no longer a threat? What are we fighting against then? Is there Satan or isn't there? Are we to conclude that we are dealing with a Satanic hierarchy without Satan? Do share your insight!
If the church is not the brick and mortar church that we "attend" every Sunday, what is the church that Jesus wanted to build? Having the Holy Spirit indwell in us is the church? If there was never a church age, what did Jesus have in mind? Do share your insight!
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Post by Sequel on Mar 20, 2007 2:08:46 GMT -6
The fallen angels have been placed into everlasting chains in Jude 6. Jesus came to destroy the works of the Devil and crush the head of the serpent. I heard that the Devil is stuck on the ground in Tartarus? Does this mean that the Devil and the fallen angels are no longer a threat? What are we fighting against then? Is there Satan or isn't there? Are we to conclude that we are dealing with a Satanic hierarchy without Satan? Do share your insight!
If the church is not the brick and mortar church that we "attend" every Sunday, what is the church that Jesus wanted to build? Having the Holy Spirit indwell in us is the church? If there was never a church age, what did Jesus have in mind? Do share your insight!
Dear spirit,
The devil and former fallen angels are interned into the earth. read Rev 12:9 carefully. The devil is still a threat to mankind as he is to be released to conclude evil and rebellion against God.
The fallen angels are interned into 'everlasting chains'. Their threat is no longer aginst mankind. New fallen angels appear as guardian angels who sin fall from grace! They are a threat; however, witchcraft, occult, magic, etc... has already replaced the functions of the fallen angels.
What are we fighting against? Demons! As a parody it is former mankind against mankind!
Is there satan or not? satan is interned and demons imitate him by saying they are satan. God is omnipresent, but satan is not. To achieve this appearance, demons copy him.
What is the church Jesus want us to build? A Holy Spirit temple of God in us, that convits us of our sins, is spiritual and receives revelation from heaven. His church is a body of one mind, one Spirit.
Jesus wanted us taught, protected by God, the Spirit of truth. Only truth can come from God. The church age doctrine taught in church is wrong. We are living an era of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit! The spiritual meaning of the scriptures from the All Spirit God cannot be understood until we grasp the spirituality of it to feed and grow our spirits. Only the Holy Spirit can bring truth to us during this era.
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Post by Seeker on Mar 21, 2007 7:49:51 GMT -6
Sequel, When you say satan is stuck to the ground I picture a dead body and an outline, him lying there stiflfywith blinking eyes (lol), what do you mean? Can you share where you heard this from and what you mean? I always thought that satan was in the spiritual sea that the bible talks about and it is in the water under the earth or the belly of the earth and that he is grounded there, sort of like restricted headquarters if you would, or under house arrest (lol). The church age? How many doctrines we humans have added to His word. I like what one person said, "If you go to McDonald's it doesn't make you a hamburger and if you go to a church it doesn't make you a christian." God's true children are HS filled and are the temple where ever they go. They are His Body, His Church, and I feel great sorrow for all those people who listen to pastors who beat their hierarchy schemes of rising within the church into powerful positions into the minds of their "laity", which by the way, "laity" isn't in the bible either. And why do they have "Pastor retreats" all the time. You never ever hear of Evangelical retreats or singers retreats, is it because wolves have pack mentality? Creepy!  |
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Post by Sequel on Mar 21, 2007 17:15:42 GMT -6
Dear seeker,
Wow! You surely must have some titanium/brass knuckles around your house!
Our friend Fidencio Aguliar died in 1978 and went up to heaven. He talked with God and was allowed to see the devil in the earth. Fidencio's description of the devil was stunning and he has attended 4 conferences. We ask for his testamony during these conferences and I can assure you that the room is so quiet you could hear a pin drop! I have the unfortunate circumstance of following his testamonies!
He is completing his book about his experience. He has moved many Christians with his testamony, including myself. I do not want to spoil his book or future testamony for you, but it is intensive. I hope you will meet him shortly.
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Post by Seeker on Mar 22, 2007 12:20:04 GMT -6
Sequel, Sounds exciting and I can't wait to meet him and hear it all at the conference. Do I bring my titanium/brass knuckles? (lol)  |
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