When Does the Heart Embrace Truth?

[Sequel]

When the saints die, there is a 7 day time for them to roam the earth as a parting farewell to the physical world. For the unsaved, they roam the earth until their time is up (Matt 8:29).

As an observation, those who remain on the earth are the condemned of God. To my own sadness and regret - some of those who appeared to remain on the earth have been former Christians, baptized persons, those who use to pray before every meal, and many members of churches?

Christians have been taught the distance between heaven and hell is one foot (the distance between the mind and the heart of man). When the Word only stays in the mind and is not residing in the heart - there is no real belief of the heart or worst yet, salvation did not come from belief of the heart!

If this is the criteria of salvation, for one to believe in the heart (Romans 10:9,10) - when does the heart embrace truth? Seldom is this explained in churches; yet, what good is the church if this accord is never attained?

I would ask the readership to contribute towards the salvation of others with their view point of such a crucial realization.

[chrioni]

Taken from Dr Rebecca's Brown Oct O8 Harvest Warrior Newsletter in her website www.harvestwarriors.com

A Vision

Recently, the Lord gave Daniel (Dr Rebecca's husband) a very sobering
vision. He was taken to the gate to heaven where he saw a very large crowd of people. He did not know how many, but there were thousands. He saw an angel speaking to the people. The angel told them that God would not allow them to enter into heaven that they must go to hell for all eternity. Daniel saw deep confusion on the faces of the people as the angel spoke.

Someone spoke up and said, "But how can this be. We are all Christians. All of us have accepted Jesus as our Lord and Savior. We have attended church and prayed to God. How can it be that God will not allow us into heaven?"

The angel replied,"Because all of you are guilty of the sin of murder. You have practiced murder and have never repented for this terrible sin. Revelation chapter 22 verse 15 states very clearly that no murderer shall enter into
heaven."

A woman spoke up and said, "I have never murdered anyone!"
The angel replied, "Yes you have, you have had an abortion. God's word is very clear. Life begins at the time of conception. Abortion is murder!"

The woman stammered, "But, the baby would have been a Down's Syndrome child."

"Don''t you know that all human life is a gift from God?" the angel said. "This Down's Syndrome baby was a gift from God to you."

"But I could never have cared for such a handicapped child," the woman replied.

"God's word says that through Christ ALL things are possible. God would have helped you, and this child would have been a blessing in your life and the lives of others," the Angel answered.

Then a man spoke up and said, I am a man, I have never had an abortion, and I have never killed anyone. How can God say I am guilty of murder?"

The angel responded very gravely and very sternly. "All of you have participated in abortion because you have supported and voted to put people into office who were pro-abortion. In doing this, you became a fellow partaker in their sins of murder. None of you have ever repented for these sins nor have you changed your ways. You considered your finances to be more important than the lives of children and God's word. You voted for people who you thought would benefit you financially; you ignored their stand on abortion as well as homosexuality. These things are an abomination to God! In doing this you partook in these sins."

Someone else spoke up and said, "But my pastor never taught me anything about this. How could I have known?"

"All of you have had the Bible in your hands. It was your responsibility to read and study God's word. You chose to stay in a church with a pastor who entertained you, and who kept you in your comfort zone. You did not seek out a
church with a pastor who took a stand against sin. You are without excuse," as the angel's final reply.

This is a most sober warning to all of us! We so easily compromise with sin and the ways of the world. Unfortunately we think the most important thing in our lives is our finances.

When elections come around, we vote for those people who promise us the most in terms of our comfort and our finances. Abortion and homosexuality has become so rampant and accepted in our nation because of Christians refusing to take a stand against it. We vote party lines instead of researching to see exactly what each person running for office stands for.

How can you be a Christian and vote for someone who promotes these abominations against God? Those of you reading this still
have time to repent and change. Please don't fall into this trap by Satan!

[freshfire]

Many are on their way to hell because they haven't genuinely accepted Jesus as their Lord. I am talking about professed christians. It's not just murder, but "SIN' period. The Word tells us to turn from iniquity and to live holy. MNay make excuses for sin that they are under grace. But God's grace is "NOT" a licence to sin. God does not expect us to be perfect and flawless, but to walk upright with Him and to be true to Him.

About who we vote for, the majority of the politicans are corrupt and are used by Satan. Satan has his followers in strategic positions and in government. They have no desire to do what is right, they don't have the best interest of the people at hand, they subtly support bad causes, they follow the agenda of the one world government, that the anti-Christ will be head of, but they literally decieve people into thinking they are christian. Reality is, they are not christian. Not only that, they are involved in occultism, secret societies, witchcraft.

When it comes to voting here in Canada, all you can do is vote in the lesser of the evils.

[seeker]

Dec 26, 2008 23:59:47 GMT -6 Sequel said:

When the Word only stays in the mind and is not residing in the heart - there is no real belief of the heart or worst yet, salvation did not come from belief of the heart!

If this is the criteria of salvation, for one to believe in the heart (Romans 10:9,10) - when does the heart embrace truth?
.

Sequel,

I thought about this question and your statements alot and I realised that our hearts cannot embrace both truth and lies at the same time. Either one or the other is motivating our hearts and the master of it.

Many religious people move from the love of self and live a very churchy and religious life.....honoring themselves as that which is good, instead of God/Truth.

Pride is love of self and there are many people who think of themselves as 'good'...and yet in truth, their hearts are far from Him.

God has been speaking to my heart the last few days....He has been posing this question to me..."if people love Me, why do they practice evil?"

I kept returning the question to Him in wonderment, because I did not know what He was getting at and then today I understood and was given understanding.

He wasn't talking about people not attending church or wearing the wrong clothes or saying cuss words, etc.....

He was talking about people who get angry with each other, people who love to think thoughts that are not true...like blaming others and feeling sorry for oneself, making excuses, complaining, etc.

He showed me, that our hearts must truly love God. And God is all that is good and true. If we go around despising people, competing and putting others down, only doing things for self gain, seeking knowledge about him to boost up our pride to make us think we are 'really' spiritual, etc. we aren't loving what is good!

Are we really humble, honest, caring, patient, kind, loving, compassionate, etc?

When does the heart embrace truth? When it stops loving lies.

Blessings,

Seeker

[Sequel]

There must be some aggregation of God's mind; keep in mind that there are a whole bunch of folks who are better than I - that didn't make the cut?

There will be countless people saved; yet, how is it possible for for so many to be saved? Is God's grace and mercy of such an infinite attribute and does this grace 'overlook/accept' the evil of our hearts? God already knows about everyone's heart and how many times evil has spewed forth upon the world, even on behalf of His name! Who has made their repentance effective?

When people repent, is it beyond words such as 'I'm sorry Lord?' God already knows our hearts, complete with its weaknesses! Are we seeing that it may not be so much as what we can embrace of the heart; but how continue to love God despite all that we encounter? Does a Father spurn the acts of the child; but as the child continues to love Him despite all circumstances?

Is the belief of our hearts upon the Lord Jesus what the Father is seeking in our lives? That the Lord died for our sins and now is with the Father! Is our salvation to be the Mind of the Father upon His love for Jesus our only hope of salvation? Would it be more defining than this? Did we understand this? The majority of the world has not.

[seeker]

Sequel,

Those are some very thought provoking questions. One thing kept crossing my mind today was that the bible says that "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son".

Can a person really comprehend that kind of love? It seems most have a hard time thinking beyond themselves...so perhaps not in this lifetime. Then another question came to mind....

Could man ever attain perfection on his own as we see people striving to do today within the churches and world? We make rules, teach and read stuff nonstop...feeling a little more confident in ourselves as we go, pointing out the errors of others to make us feel a little better about ourselves, etc. Is this how you get righteous? Is this man's idea of righteousness?

Can people really attain a perfected, righteous state by acquiring it through our own efforts to be good?

Of course not, and that is when I realised that God doesn't expect me to attain salvation of myself, nor can I reach perfection and save myself through knowledge, good behaviour, or any such thing. He is my Perfection. He is my Righteousness....but why...how?

Then I realised that God is the only One who is Righteous, and Righteousness 'belongs' to Him and Him alone. No creature outside of Him can be Good and there is only one God. To say or believe that we can become righteous outside of Him or to believe that our 'good' actions could somehow attain a perfected state, would be to say that we could become god and if we were given enough 'time' it would happen. It is pride again.....man believing that he can be God or attain Godhood, eventually!

This is always the root of errored thought. The belief in oneself. Many religious people actually mentally see God working for them. When they think He has done good for them, they praise Him and if things go bad, they get angry with Him. Like he's a puppy they are training! In their sick minds, they see God as a tool to get what they need. Their hearts are still centered on themselves, not Him. In their minds, He is working for them. I know many such religious people....

The arrogance of the human soul is astounding! We cannot save ourselves. Only by His blood are we redeemed and it is a gift, something we could never earn, why? Only He is Worthy. It's not just a cool slogan.....it is a statement of truth.

Yet I have seen people love the sin they live in and claim to be His. How can this be? They loudly boast that God is their righteousness, yet they love the devil! This is another delusion of the mind....for if we truly love Him we keep His commandments and it isn't hard to do if your heart really loves Him. Then another thought struck me....

It came across my mind like a simple math equation. If God has all the power, then we don't have any and aren't the source of it. If God has and is all Righteousness, then we don't and can't of ourselves have any, so how could we ever be good? It must be given by Him. Just like He alone is God, He alone is Good. Only real goodness/righteousness can come from Him...it is Him!

So to say that I am good, is to say that I am God. No wonder that God concluded us all in sin, to save us all....any who would believe the Truth from their hearts.

How wonderfully simple this makes life. How easy that almost burdenless burden is to bear. It isn't me that gets me into heaven....it is Him keeping His Word to me, that saves me. His Goodness, not mine that redeems my soul. All I am required to do is believe the truth of the gospel/good news from the heart.

Then as I love the Truth I naturally continue on toward Him and everytime I repent/truly see the error of my ways as He gently leads and shows me things and believe I am saved from some aspect of this world and able to enter His joy and peace more fully.

Not because I 'have' to stop being evil because it is what he tells me to do, but because it is a joy to learn and grow in Him and as I do, those ways of the world, just naturally fall away.

My soul is ever safe in His hands and from my heart which used to love itself and worship itself and seek to know itself as god, repented and saw that it was no good and that it really isn't god and it now loves and embraces the Truth, Him.

Blessings,

Seeker

[Sequel]

Thank you for your e-mail. Jesus intimated that if we are child like, we should be able to enter heaven.

As a testimony of our wisdom, the older we get the meaner and more angry we can get; however, we show it less? The years of innocence is departed from our hearts and distrust becomes the order of the day. Is it difficult for us to gain the innocence of a child again? I haven't seen many to be a testimonial to this.

The impressionability of a child is as close that we can become as humans to believing others. This builds the case why children should be taught about God at their earlier years that they can carry the innocent belief of God for the rest of their lives.

There is so much in this world that has corrupted our minds that we have a very difficult time to see truth and to recognize that God is talking to us. With more than 40,000 different Christian denominations, each with its own statement of faith, we have diluted the spiritual meaning of the Word to be an unbelievable and confirming life force for us?

We have taken the righteousness of God as our tasks; however, is this possible as none as righteous? We can only be made the righteousness of God thru Christ Jesus. It was given to us thru Jesus. There is no religion that can claim this! Righteousness cannot come from the unrighteous as it can only come from God.

[seeker]

Sequel,

How true indeed, that the older we get....we certainly change. I have been visiting the nursing home alot lately and as we age I can clearly see that we become our dominate traits.

Some curl up like little babies and suck their thumb quietly in the corner, others are down right mean and try to run you over with their wheelchairs or yell rudely to everyone(lol).

However, I have noticed that prior to a nursing home, when one still has enough mentality to 'pretend' or hide ones true feelings, I noticed that many elderly become reclusive. I have understood why and that is that one has seen enough of the world and simply doesn't wish to participate in the madness anymore.

A young person runs on alot of foolishness and false beliefs. For instance a young person will strive to conquer the world through ambition. They believe the lies the devils sell....that they can be amazing, smart, adored, powerful, wonderful, honored, etc.build their own kingdoms, etc.

Once a person gets two steps from the nursing home, it becomes apparent that these were all foolish fantasies....Then the reality of it sets in......especially when you start forgetting what your name is and which room in the nursing home you occupy!

Truly only God is good, powerful, wonderful, awesome, truly worthy to be adored, and amazing. Many still do not comprehend this and are in prideful denial all the way to the grave.

Some go down fighting to believe in themselves and preserve themselves and others seem to just give up in anger and resent everyone and everything.

This is why I have always loved graveyards. Cause I always liked knowing that this crazy world had an end and it reminded me not to make it more then it was. To stop and smell the roses and watch a cloud or a sunset while I still had my being on this earth. While I could still praise Him and thank Him for all that He has done.

My graveyard walking, was not done in a depressing way at all, but in a peaceful way.....I would put my heart and hopes in Him in heaven and just let the world make its way to its own sweet death and ending. Though I know now that I picked up demons there and wouldn't suggest it to anyone . (lol)

There is great peace in knowing that all that is good in me is not me and that all that I am is in Him. I don't have to 'maintain' it or prove anything to anyone. I simply am what I am as I seek His face with all my heart. I really want to know Him....what is He thinking, doing, and what can I do to bless His heart too?

I don't have to go around worried that someone might 'out do' me spiritually....or be more special then I am to Him. He is perfect. Recently I have seen this in a wonderous way and been able to let go of many foolish things.

Having Him as my only Goodness and Righteousness makes life so simple and easy ......just the way I like it .

I like being the child and love that He's my Father. I like leaving the responsiblity of the world on His shoulders and not worrying. It is as He designed it and I expect Him to open doors and keep me....cause I know He's a Man of His Word.

Also, one thing that has brought me much peace lately, is that it is His job to fix people, to save the world, set up kingdoms and bring them down.....I just do whatever He sets before me each day and don't worry about it all.....

It might be an exorcism or something so simple as bringing my kids to the nursing home and playing with the elderly and feeding them unhealthy cheetos! I never know what God has the next day for me to do and I like that.

I wake up and say, "Okay, Father, what are we doing today?"

I am so glad that He didn't make a bunch of hoops for me to jump through to please Him, or say "after 8 years of college and 15 miracles you will have qualified as an inductee into the heavenly army. After you've proven yourself by your conduct for 30 years you will then be slated to a more definite position and possible entry level into heaven. However, should you falter, we will have to start all over....I hope you live long enough and are better then the others who want your position....notice, dear...that they are odviously nicer, better looking, and smarter...I hope you make it ......(lol)"

Blessings,

Seeker

[Sequel]

seeker,

The years spent in ministering to the elderly and handicap was an indirect preparation of my life for the deliverance ministry. Perhaps nowhere could I observe how our elderly succumb to despair, sickness, and death.

The plight of the handicapped leave scant room to 'acquire or view the world' passing by.

In some of the moments of working with them, there were no words to describe some of the difficulties that they have endured from the world. My wife worked for 20 years with little comment and the following years as many of those who left to be with the Lord, she asked that we should move on. As the starting congregation dwindled due to age, I heard several of the deaconesses praying aloud - please bless the Minister and keep him here wiith us! We stayed another 8 years.

There was a love of life as we engaged with the seniors and we shall never forget what they taught us - how to give love to a stranger. Only by working with them could we understand this and not on our own.

There are 8,000 + elderly and handicap facilities in the US, they have 'community rooms' that can become wonderful churches for the tenants who are unable to drive to a church. The section 202 and 238 of the HUD regulatory codes have been changed by former Congressman Edward Roybal, House Chair on Aging - to allow non-denominational church services for the tenants.

Most facility managers and churches are unaware of this change.
The statistics for ministers have been, there are 7-8 ministers who do not have their own church for every active denomination church.

The expressions from the heart is a great teacher for the soul.

In the Song of Solomon Ch 2 : 1-2 I am the rose of Sharon and the Lily of the valleys. As the Lily among thorns, so is My love among the daughters...

The greatness of this wisdom is that as the winds blows thru the valleys, the thorns will protect the Lily. Be blessed.

[chrioni]

We are talking here about HEAD knowledge versus HEART knowledge.

I will use RIGHTEOUSNESS as an example since it relates to our salvation. Righteousness is the direct opposite of sin.

Proverbs 14:34 RIGHTEOUSNESS exalted a nation but SIN is a reproach to any people.

Righteousness is both a GIFT and a FRUIT.

Romans 5:17 ... the GIFT of righteousness.
Philippians 1:11 ... being filled with the FRUITS of righteousness. (Notice the fruit is plural).

First, you receive the gift. You ask the Father for the gift in Jesus Name. The gift comes via IMPARTATION. That's why the righteousness of Jesus Christ is imputed (counted/reckoned) to us - just as if we have never sinned when we accepted and received Jesus Christ into our heart (Rom 10:9-10)

Romans 4:24 ... for us also, to whom it (righteousness) shall be imputed (counted/reckoned) ....
Romans 1:11 ... that I may IMPART unto you some spiritual GIFT ....

Then, the gift is to be worked out in you (in the good times and the hard times) as you cooperate and yield to the Holy Spirit. That takes time. You will either make it or break it. Growth is a PROCESS - from righteousness to righteousness. God will give you plenty of opportunities to work out the gift of righteousness till it develop into the fruits of righteousness.

Philippians 2:12 ... work out your own salvation with fear and trembling ....

With head knowledge, there is no spiritual growth. Head knowledge is a mental agreement with truth. That's it. It will do you no good. It is just like that man given the one talent and hides it. (Matthew 25:24-25)

With heart knowledge, truth as a seed is sown in the heart and allow to grow with care giving the seed (the truth) the right environment.

The Holy Spirit is revealing to us that there are four kinds of heart in the parable of the sower (Matthew 13 Mark 4 Luke 8) -

1. the wayside heart
2. the stony heart
3. the thorns heart
4. the good heart

The heart that embrace truth is called the "good " heart - but there were three degrees of fruitfulness - 30 fold, 60 fold and 100 fold.

Jeremiah 17:9-10
The heart is DECEITFUL above all things, and desperately WICKED; who can know it.
The answer: I the LORD search the heart ....

The Bible is full of practical godly counsel we can draw on to help us in our spiritual growth - to grow up into Christ Jesus in all things ... (Ephesians 4:15)

It is important to humble yourself before God and He shall lift you up (James 4:10) by praying these powerful Biblical prayers daily to God who answers prayers. Pray and pray until you mean it with all your heart.

Psalm 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God and renew a right spirit within me.

Psalm 139:2-24 Search me, O God and know my heart. Try me and know my thoughts. And see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.

Part of the reason why the heart is not embracing truth is the lack of teaching (HOWTO) regarding the truth. No one told me the truth. Or no one taught me how.

REPETITION helps to let the words we hear SINK into our hearts. That's why MEDITATION on the Word is crucial in one's spiritual growth. The Word (in the seed form) has to take root into our heart to grow into a tree bearing fruits. (Psalm 1:3)

This is what I sense the Holy Spirit wants me to share.

Be doubly blessed
Bro Chrioni

[seeker]

Sequel,

I have to admit that going to the nursing home is really tough and hard to do....it often makes me cry after I leave and even days inbetween as I wrestle with the pictures of those who are suffering. I just want to take them all home and somehow make all the pain and suffering go away.....and I feel so small to help them.

One woman I see regularly, wants to go home so bad and she spelled the word 'jail' for me today in sorrow. I can only share her grief..........

God is using this time for her to search her soul and I see it, but I still cry. IT is hard to see so many who are so bad off.

It is heart rendering and I wish I had more anointing and could see them walk out and go home. It makes me realise that I need God to help anyone and that of myself I truly am nothing.

Thank you for the inspiring quote from the Song of Solomon....it blessed me greatly....

Blessings,

Seeker



Chrioni....thanks for the scriptures! Very enlightening .....

[Bryannut]

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