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Post by seeker on Dec 31, 2008 23:41:49 GMT -6
God showed me the coolest thing about anger the other day. I saw the steps that one goes through in a clear cut manner....I thought others might enjoy it ....
Here they are.......
1. someone is unkind or cruel....either intentional or unintentionally
2. you suddenly have only two choices you can move on....
a. see it for what it is, and let it go and overlook it...or
b. get upset or hurt/angry
3. If you choose path 'a', then you will enter peace because you have obeyed God and have His approval and you grow spiritually....evil did not move you.
4. If you get upset or angry, path 'b' you automatically feel God's disapproval for not forgiving and loving others, which makes you feel guilt and shame in your spirit. He is not 'smiling' on your spirit.
Because you were too proud to see that it is really your own fault for not being loving and forgiving in the first place, your soul then seeks to hide from God/Truth. Just like Adam and Eve did with their fig leaves.
You do this by focusing or dwelling on the error that you think was done to you....and you enter contention with God.....which is sort of like arguing with God.
(This is also why people become addicted to things...to soothe guilt and why they try and numb their spirits through distractions like t.v. etc..)
You then begin to blame the other person and seek to justify yourself to His mind in you which is saying "guilty, guilty, guilty......"
You are guilty for not being obedient to God, regardless of what others do, we know we are to even love our enemies and that it is His commandment to love other as He has loved us.
5. Once you begin to blame the person, instead of repenting, you are in big trouble. You blame the person who 'you' let hurt 'your' feelings. When you do this, it then takes your eyes off of your own guilt for not obeying God and refusing to love others as He loves you.
So in order to turn our attention off of our guilt because our pride will not allow us to see that we are really the guilty party for disobeying the Father, we blame others for 'hurting' us and begin to feel sorrow or compassion and sympathy for ourselves. There is a sense of 'false' righteousness that goes with "poor little me".
6. Once you enter the phase of blame and excuse you are in big trouble, because God doesn't stop telling you about your guilt. He is speaking it directly into our spirit man.
Because you cannot get that to stop and cannot find peace, you get angry....and then you then enter resentment which is the fuel of anger.
To keep from seeing our guilt we have to keep our minds from seeing the truth, that we are guilty....and so you replay the incident over and over looking for more 'evidence' of your innocence and of their guilt..., blaming the other person and excusing yourself...this is resentment, your arguement with God!
So a person who resents others is actually in contention or arguing with God.
Do you realise that though a person might offend us once, we actually keep hate and anger alive with much effort. We do way more harm to ourselves then the other person ever did! They might have offended us once, but we do it to ourselves over and over again.....!
We do it by replaying and reliving the incident again and again in our minds....feeling sorry for ourselves and making much effort to excuse our own actions, when in truth, we simply disobeyed God by not being patient and kind in the first place!
This is why God told us to not put a stumbling block in the path way of others, because everyone has a limit of how much they can forgive as we are not perfect in love as He is.
Next time you are angry, think about the cycle and opt out.
Realise that the faults of others are much like your own, see them......and don't let it bother you. Speak the truth only when you can do it from a peaceful heart to really help someone.
Let your love be without hypocrisy and it can only be without hypocrisy if you truly move from a patient and kind place in your heart, truly doing what is right and good for someone else without regards to self gain.
Blessings,
Seeker
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Post by Sequel on Jan 1, 2009 1:15:58 GMT -6
This is a very complex subject that is often diluted by the minds of man. To a great degree the deception of our hearts may intercede as a self defense mechanism.
Perhaps it should be stated that I have never agreed with the role of psychology/counseling in ministry as a 'priestly function'. There are several reaasons for this position:
1) there is nothing in science that can define anything that is spirit, which remains and has been the primary causation of the majority of mankind's malady
2) psychology/counseling has never been an effective remedy for spirit caused problems and the depth of these sciences have never proven themselves to be the effective solutions to causations that are undefineable.
3) these sciences are truly secular in derivation and are often seriously misleading to achieving a lasting solution.
4) God has provided a spirit solution to spirit caused problems that does not reside within the purview of science
This position does not diminish seeker's approach to helping people with serious issues of the mind as she is qualified from the spirit and secular aspects. One cannot talking about spiritual issues from the mind of God as it is seldom achieveable. The human mind relates to, what is within the framework of understanding and this is mostly a secular approoach.
In my senior years, there are many steps to spiritual communion with God and it is a road that is open to all. Despite the serious nature of people's disposition, the forum participants have been very mindful of the difficult plights of those oppressed with spirits.
My wife applies a start point for people who come for help, which helps all seeking relief from issues of the mind and body - that we should begin with the 'forgiveness of ourselves' before we deal with the spiritual issues that are of an outside nature. We have to realize that we all seek to be right with ourselves as a fundamental solution.
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Post by chrioni on Jan 1, 2009 6:35:52 GMT -6
Thank you Seeker for sharing with us the readership the practical aspects to deal with this sensitive area of hurts and offenses. Learning to forgive others who have wronged us is a good start as pointed by Sequel's wife. And this is a very complex area as Sequel rightly pointed out. Proverbs 18:14 The spirit of a man will sustains his infirmity, but a WOUNDED SPIRIT who can bear? What is a wounded spirit? God's Holy Spirit cannot be wounded, but He can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). Our regenerated human spirit technically cannot be wounded, but can be grieved. Let's say, I, a believer in Jesus Christ, have a wounded spirit. The wounding occurs within my heart-soul union faculties. My soul registers, emits and transmits its wounded negative energies /currents inwardly to my heart, then deeper into my human spirit. My human spirit then transmits that wounded negative energies/currents outward into the air around me or the spirit realm. If my spirit is not right with God, it is because evil spirits are affecting my soul's faculties, and the demons are transmitting their spirit energies/currents/vibrations natures via my heart-soul union, deeper into my human spirit. Then, my human spirit becomes the transmitter of that wounded energies/currents/vibrations outwardly into the air around me. The evil spirits initiating the wounding through me (who yields to them), accomplish their evil desires within the heart-soul union - from the person who is doing the wounding to me. The demons feed on my pain. This happens whenever Jesus Christ has not been allowed to sanctify my heart and my soul (Hebrews 12:15; 1 John 3:20-22). The demons progressively infect me (the wounded one) increasingly affecting me as my soul and my heart yield to the demons more and more, ever permitting other evil spirits to additionally come in to increase my pain. The wounding is accomplished in me. It is always accompanied by other evil spirits bringing to me bitterness, resentment and lying spirits who twist, distort and falsely magnify the facts with unforgiving spirits. If I cooperate with the demons, reacting in murmuring, complaining and whining, thus ever increasingly opening the door of my heart and my soul to the demons. This passivity and carelessness (James 4:7) will slowly destroy my heart - disabling it until eventually my conscience becomes so seared (1 Timothy 4:1-2) that it becomes impossible for Jesus Christ to renew me unto repentance. All negative, intellectual and emotional reactions are merely evil spirits impregnating my heart and my soul with whom I have affinities (attraction) in the unsanctified (unrenewed) part of my heart-soul union. If I will immediately, wholeheartedly submit to Jesus Christ in humility with confession and repentance, Jesus Christ will give me the gift of forgiveness for the person who has wounded me. Jesus Christ will cleanse me by the power that is in His shed blood. Jesus Christ will immediately heal me of my wounds. Wounding always happens where Jesus Christ death on the cross and Jesus Christ ascending power have not been allowed to sanctify my heart (with the fruit of the Holy Spirit), enabling me to overcome even as Jesus Christ overcame. I have to stop wallowing in self pity and excusing the evil spirit that is impregnated with the self life of my intellect and emotions with counter accusing. I have to get down to business, confessing and repenting of my sins. Then, the power of the Holy Spirit in God's love, mercy and grace will reign supreme in me. The life of Jesus Christ will displace my pain with Jesus Christ joy, victory and triumph. Amen. Be Blessed Bro Chrioni
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Post by seeker on Jan 1, 2009 9:06:06 GMT -6
Sequel,
It is true, that God did and does not originate the earth knowledge we often ascribe the word 'science' to. As most is full of faults and of a corrupt source. However, He is every thought that is True, regardless of science, history, philosophy, and psychology.
As there is only the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error (1 John 4:6) to draw from. Every thought will fall under one catagory or the other and have its source therein. Pride would have us esteem ourselves separate from both.
Science, in the areas that it agrees with Truth, is true and of Him. Where it does not, it is a lie and of the devil.
God is pure Science....as He is pure Wisdom and in Him is no false thought or concept.
Sanctifying the soul is not done soley through exorcisms. Exorcisms are the necessary removal of a spirit, but cannot change the damage that that spirit has done to a soul. Spirits cannot be cast out of someone and result in the sanctifying of the soul. Only Truth/His mind imparted to your soul can sanctify one.
For instance casting the demon out that caused deep anger in my life did not cure me. I got angry after the exorcism and called the spirit right back to me. However, the exorcism allowed me to understand that the anger wasn't of Him nor was it of me and was a crucial step in helping me separate from it.
After the exorcism, I realised that that spirit who claimed me at birth was indeed not of me and that I am that new creature in Christ Jesus and so I cried out to God to set me free from the anger which was what that spirit had taught my heart.
God freed me from that spirit. He did so by giving my soul understanding of 'why' I was angry and then the demon went away and never returned. I have had other spirits just give up and leave when they found no place left in me to stay. When they can't use your mind/spirit it has come to my attention that they have no where to work and it has been my experience that they have to leave.
Scientifically I guess you would say that I tuned them out and I simply quit calling them to me. Not because I willed it so, but because the Truth in my soul freed me from moving on the lies they had imparted and then He healed my spirit/soul with Himself.
The exorcism was necessary, but only a part of the deliverance process.
If we don't understand in our souls/hearts why we are angry, how can we really let go of anger and forgive? No one can just forgive upon will or stop a habit or stop being angry. Is this not pride at work trying to do the work of God without Him? We then have two sins instead of one...pride and anger....
No one can sanctify themselves. Only the Truth imparted to our souls can sanctify us. This is where human psychology gets left behind. As human psychology is man's mind attempting to cure man....not God's mind imparted to man.
I agree that psychology of itself is useless, just like science without Him is useless and both remind me of heart surgery...one operation done to flesh, the other the spirit. It may prolong your life a bit, but your will die soon anyway!
God is the Mind. He is pure wisdom, science, and pure psychology. If one is subject to His Mind what can't be overcome? Is it not His Mind imparted that frees us? We are nothing of ourselves.
So yes, God has given a Spirit solution to a spirit problem. His Mind/Spirit/Truth casting out the minds/spirits/lies of the world.
Blessings,
Seeker
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Post by seeker on Jan 1, 2009 9:21:36 GMT -6
Bro Chrioni,
You are right in that we transmit negative energy outward when we move upon a demon's mind or any thought apart from God. This is what the Father has shown me too. He has shown me that we actually call demons to us and when we hold onto their thoughts we fall into bondage/sin.
When a spook has this kind of hold on one exorcisms are difficult. This is what many ministries call 'legal entry or grounds to stay'. These are the tough spooks to bust because the blend with our personalities.
Any spook you just step on or get through incidental contact and usually newly entered ones are easy to cast out, but if you start moving from the demons thoughts it will soon have legal grounds and the process gets much tougher.
A wounded spirit is one that is moving from the false thoughts the demon has implanted in you.
This is why God gives us a new spirit and heart. We have to have a place to come from that is not corrupt. I heard the new born spirit crying the other day. I now have some understanding of this verse thanks to Him....
Rom. 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
A corrupt/unclean spirit cannot cry for adoption, but moves and cries from a state of bondage or fear. Only His Spirit imparted in us, being born again, can give one this sacred place to come from.
Blessings,
Seeker
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Post by Sequel on Jan 2, 2009 1:24:38 GMT -6
seeker,
Of the many exorcisms done over the years, the toughest ones involved being inside the person a long time. Even entry took place while the child was still in the mother's womb.
As God made each of us different, the lives lived produced variance in personality traits and intelligence of the individuals. When strong personalities and high intelligence produce a 'blended personality' the separation becomes very difficult.
The unknown lives of spirits bring a strange array of traits that need to be dealt with by all persons beleaguered by spirits. Keep in mind that all demonic spirits have been condemned by God. If the person is freed from spirits, the personalities leaves a 'void' due to the absence of the spirits. In some deliverances, some of the people would say, I feel an emptiness in my brain!
Of the majority of persons delivered, they recognized the void and also the absence of the former spirit's traits. For most, the spirits are not welcomed back. Only a few have felt the 'lost of traits' that the person felt 'insecure or lost' that they would want to call the spirits back.
The return or keeping of spirits is not good under any condition. Fore seeing this, we have develop methods to prevent the return of spirits. Not everyone wants their former dispositions changed, even recognizing that there maybe many spirits comprising of the individual's familar personality is destroying all those around the person and their love ones. WSM seeks to remove spirits from people and trys to 'oversight' as best we could, the becoming of one's self again. It is neither easy nor sometimes fully understood by the people.
We pray over those whom we assist in deliverances, before and after the deliverance. God has been gracious and some dispositions are unusual and need to be given considerable leeway for both the spirits and the person involved. Sometimes it take more than a year to realize change and the adaptation to change needs to be oversighted. God does not like the activities of the demonic spirits and rejects their intrusions upon mankind.
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Post by seeker on Jan 2, 2009 8:51:38 GMT -6
Sequel,
Most deliverance ministries simply pray for those who have demons....which is why they have few testimonials. The WSM process needs to be understood by these ministries and applied......and I agree with most of what you have said.
I think we underestimate the influence from demons upon all our lives. I believe that we have all been oppressed by demons since birth. Most just are not willing to see it.
It has come to my attention that none have escaped the wiles of the dead. There's no one walking around in a 'demon' free zone. We are bombarded 24/7 as they are in the air around us and we entertain them most often due to the lack of spiritual development. We think they are us and grow to like our quirks.
Many cultures even teach that upon birth you are given two spiritual parents to raise you. A child already has the mothers spirits to deal with from the womb.
Removal of these spirits will heal your body ....but your soul/spirit is another story. God knew that only His Spirit could do that in an indwelling fashion. However, if you return to the sin, the demons come back in greater strength. This has been proven in numerous cases.
Sanctification is a big part of the healing and deliverance process which must be given a fair amount of attention to.
I can see why Jesus left to send the Holy Spirit. Without Him we are really in trouble. There would be no way of growing in spirit or becoming a son.
Ministers can only do so much to help others and it is very humbling indeed. We can pray for others, cast out demons, and speak when we see that people can hear us, but we cannot make a person do anything.
All the work we do must be done with the understanding that it is indeed 'His' work. We are to do it His way, in His time, and according to His Word.....regardless of the differing outcomes. Often we cannot see where God is going with something and must obey regardless. God's work, His way, in His time.
Blessings,
Seeker
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