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Post by 2nd guest on Feb 13, 2007 11:20:43 GMT -6
The soul is separate from the body. We were created as a triune being--spirit, soul and body. Demon busters has a lot of erroneous information.
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Post by Seeker on Feb 13, 2007 13:53:22 GMT -6
Sequel, I came accross this statement, "the soul is the sum of our total experiences" on the back of a book which continues to say that it was another way of saying we are burdened down and bothered by our past. The surprising thing is it is on a book by Roy Masters. If you know who he is can you tell me if you agree or disagree with his teachings and why. Thanks Seeker
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Post by spirit on Feb 13, 2007 15:48:49 GMT -6
The soul is separate from the body. We were created as a triune being--spirit, soul and body. Demon busters has a lot of erroneous information. They do. What I know is that people tend to interchange soul and spirit as the same thing and they're not.
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Post by Sequel on Feb 14, 2007 12:46:02 GMT -6
Dear Seeker,
I have not heard the name of Roy Masters for 25 - 30 years! Although he talks very fast, he can discern spiritual issues. I use to listen to him and his talk shows and enjoyed it immensely.
I did not know he wrote something similar - please I didn't plagarized him. There was a very troubled person on angel dust who was taken to see Roy and Roy's immediate response was - he's possessed, can't help him. His brother and I have been good friends for many years.
I asked the world's strongest exorcist, a friend of mine to come to the US and deliver him and he could not get the demons to respond to him. I also would disceern the people at the conferences and tell them directly, if they could be delivered or not before the deliverances. If the people are possessed, too frail to understand and keep demonics out of them, or those who doubt because of taught - pre-conceived notions - deliverance may not be for them!
God Bless,
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Post by Seeker on Feb 14, 2007 21:50:10 GMT -6
Sequel, At first I was really nervous about Roy Masters teachings but when you realize that he gets away from "word castles" as he puts them that he is a man ahead of his time. The book that the statement was on is called "How your mind can keep you well". At first I thought he was just teaching self help. But the mind he is referring to is the mind of Christ in us. I'm going to include his web link which also threw me at first because there is nothing that says God or Holy Spirit or any word we are used to hearing so it makes you think again...new age or self help, but if you click on the link "spiritual understanding" you will find biblical topics which you can download and listen to. It is amazing because one is taught to sit in the prescence of the Holy Spirit and eventually the demons are forced to leave! www.fhu.com/I don't believe that any demon possession case is impossible for God. Deeply possessed people can be delivered. With God all things are possible. I do believe that we need to reach a point where we are no longer walking in our own shoes in life, but it is He that walks completely in us to the point where all things will be done by Him, through Him and to Him. The man with the legions of demons spoken of in the bible is such a man as you described "totally possessed" and he was freed. It is possible. I know we will see this and even greater things than this in the days ahead! I feel a call that I can't even describe and things will be happening for those who no longer have earthly ties, things that we can't even imagine! This is the most exciting time in history, that perhaps history itself was designed for and I thank God for placing us all into this age. Praise God! Seeker
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Post by Sequel on Feb 15, 2007 12:04:56 GMT -6
Seeker,
There are people in the world who has an exceptional knowledge of the Word and have avoided both church and public discussion of Jesus. Perhaps Roy may fall into that category. In demonology, there are the rare few that will openly engage into serious discussions about demons, mostly. due to the 'mysteries of God' that confronts most ministers and people.
I do disagree with you on the possession issue of people seriously possessed. It is not without deep compassion that we view the severely demonized people - it has to do with the time to recover and you knowing your limitations. Yes. Jesus can heal anyone, but should His saints spend an inordinate amount of time to help someone - say 3 years or so? We have! Even some of our students have been to Africa and have cast out the demons from a man declared insane and his 'actual chain' around his necks was taken off!
The young man that met Roy took so much angel dust that his brain was fried! We took care of him for 3 months in our home and the oversight was significant. It was similar to taking care of an adult child. Yes, we even tied his shoes. (he got his masters degree in mathematics from UC Berkeley) Almost all the truamas and nightmares left him and he was able to sing hymnals and go to church with us. Then his family desparately wanted him back as they felt he was recovered. We disagreed with them and prayed on it. The answer we got was, Jesus wanted us to let go of him! We did. Three weeks later he was found nude and strangled in his parent's home. I have deep feelings for this young man and it was a situation where no one could walk away from. We even paid for the travel of the world's strongest exorcist to personally deliver this man; but he was not able to deliver him.
People make terrible lapses of judgement in thier lives and it seems that spiritual people can fix almost anything - this is not true. Mental scars are sometimes too much for people to bear, even young kids. We have never taken anyone's problem as minor but view the problems about demonic intrusions as horrible! If you can understand some of our experiences, it would curl your eyebrows. As a pastor, I had a young man bring in a electric saw, so I could cut off his hand due to his continued masterbastion! There were people enter my home skidding across the floor! Their urgencies were that great.
Deliverance must be accompanied by an emotional maturity that can see the problems as well as the solution. Most people traumatized for many years do not know how to accept the deliverance! I would just casually comment to them, you will realize the deliverance but it will take about 6 months. Can you imagine the truamas involved and they didn't even know it.
In my last conference, I asked the people to put on a card, what is wrong with them. An elder of a church wrote down 4 things. When I finished I cast out about 25 spirits in her causing about 20 sicknesses and infirmity in her body! By discernment I am able to detect the spirits within and I pursue them. People watching were shocked.
Do we do what we can to help as many as we can handle or do we relegate out time to only a few? Did Jesus pursue the majority of the lost flock or did He pursue even one? What would you do and we get deliverance request constantly and even have taken in people into our home for years. Would you allow a young man from drug rehab to come to you home for several years with more than 2,000 demons in him? The conferences was developed to handle what we can and also train exorcists how to apply God, Himself to people.
God Bless,
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Post by Seeker on Feb 15, 2007 18:46:31 GMT -6
Dear Sequel, Wow, my sister said she had never met such humble people as you and your wife. She told me that even talking to you made her shake because of the HS in you. I wish I could follow you and your wife around like Elisha did to learn all I can from the two of you . Unfortunately, you'd probably get tired of the bazillion questions and call the police:) I know you and your wife have had to been through a lot to be "broken" before the Lord. And when I keep talking about dying to self, that is what I mean. It is the massive amount of human carnage that you two have waded through and the continual fight to save humanity that has brought you to be who you are. Although I'm quite a whipper snapper and wet behind the ears I see in you and your wife the kind of person I want to be. I don't like the pretty pictures painted by most religions and churches. They don't even want to suffer in the least. The want God to give them money and cars and health and then get swooped up in a rapture while all the "bad" ones are punished. Not the path our Saviour took and not the path I want. On the seriously possessed issue I have a distinct feeling that a creative miracle would have to take place first, but only if God wanted it to and I do have a hard time believing that you wouldn't have been able to find out from Him knowing the kind of people you and your wife are. I thought you said that all deeply possessed people could not be saved or delivered, so perhaps I misunderstood what you said. I have seen God do creative miracles and once one of my sisters and I commanded a leg and foot to grow out on another sister who had suffered a broken ankle earlier on in the year. It grew out to the right length in the name of Jesus right before our very eyes. A few other things like tornados stopped, a hail storm once that I commanded to cease in the name of Jesus that even the weather man couldn't explain that night on the news. One time when I was only 15 or so I was out feeding our pet cats and I thought I heard one of my brothers or sisters scream. The wind was blowing really hard and my dad had built a really tall wind unit that rattled something awful. I'm not sure where it came from but something stirred up within me I lept up and thrust my hand towards the wind unit and it was instantly quiet. As long as I held my hand towards the wind unit, not a sound could be heard from the huge hunk of metal, though the wind continued to blow. Seven times I raised my hand up and brought it down to my own astonishment the wind unit obeyed me, I was stunned. Once, several birds came back to life when I commanded the life to come back into them, one got loose in the house and my mom wasn't too happy with me (lol). And I've heard God's voice so loud a couple of times that I looked to see who was there. But these miracles are too far in between and I hunger for more. I hunger to make a real difference in a hurting world. It all came together when my sister told me who demons were and a fire was lit in my heart. Now I eat, sleep, and drink God, His word and long for His prescence like when I was a child and first knew Him and I know that soon I will see what I've known all my life in my heart, that I will get to serve Him like I long to, in a mountain moving, sea splitting, tear jerking, dying for Him, meet Him in the sky way! It appears that perhaps I won't get to go to a conference as you are going to Asia, but I know that it is for the best, that God knows best. Do know that you have inspired me to get up and fight the good fight, beginning with the massive demonic attack on my family which I know you know about and I'm grateful to God for allowing us to know who our enemy is so we can wage an effective war. It has been the most extraordinary journey so far and I know it will only get better! I know I've lots to learn and that it will not all be a ride in the park and I wouldn't have it any other way! God Bless, Seeker
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Post by spirit on Feb 16, 2007 3:53:41 GMT -6
It would be better to help the many over the few as you only have so much time to help people. The "Legions" of the world would make the best testimonies and I'm sure they would be the most grateful. I'm sure it isn't easy trying to cast out 6,000 demons.
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